This excerpt from comments generated at a discussion of same-sex marriage at Justin Katz’s. (I can’t find the link to Justin’s original post).

My comment (where I copied some text from my previous post on the subject of homosexual violence):

Regarding the discussion on whether to normalize first, and consequently legalize, homosexual marriage:

Estimate for homosexual male domestic violence: 650,000 gay men are annually battered in the US alone

Is it a surprise that modern American society concentrates its energy in Pride Parades and normalizing homosexual marriage instead of looking at how enormously violent homosexuals are?

The day same-sex marriage activists spend even 10% of the same-sex marriage propaganda energy on disseminating info on how violent homosexuals are, they will show that even the most ignorant, dubious people can rise above the gutter.

(Domestic violence in gay male relationships is the third largest health problem for gay men in America today.)

Domestic violence is also prevalent in the gay and lesbian communities, occurring with the same or even greater frequency than in heterosexual communities (Barnes, 1998; Friess, 1997; Island, 1991; Renzetti, 1992). The National Coalition Against Domestic Violence estimates that 25% to 33% of all same-sex relationships include domestic violence.

And if they all batter so much, it is clear that homo and bisexuals have very high rates of sexual harassment behavior, including towards heterosexuals. It’s all part of the same web of sexual violence towards others.

p.s.: This book came out more than 15 years ago. From which we conclude: a society that is intent on homosexual propaganda has a profound closet, with an enormous quantity of statistics skeletons therein. You call young black female athletes some normalized denigrating hip-hop term and you hit the scandal circuit. You publish data about how criminal and diseased the minds of homosexuals are and the entire media becomes suddenly deaf and dumb, not for a week, but for decades.

I will clarify my point: I am not discussing in this comment why same-sex marriage is unequal to heterosexual marriage. I am pointing out that there is a concerted effort to censor and dismiss discussion about how violent homo and bisexuals are at the same time that there is enormous talk of the subject of homosexual marriage.

In other words, we see that topics about violence make people uncomfortable, since it disrupts their idealized stereotypes and simplistic accounts of social “reality,” therefore a continuous dismissal and resistance is found regarding these very topics, which are nevertheless key to understanding society at a more realistic and responsible level.

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The day same-sex marriage activists spend even 10% of the same-sex marriage propaganda energy on disseminating info on how violent homosexuals are, they will show that even the most ignorant, dubious people can rise above the gutter.

(Domestic violence in gay male relationships is the third largest health problem for gay men in America today.)

Domestic violence is also prevalent in the gay and lesbian communities, occurring with the same or even greater frequency than in heterosexual communities (Barnes, 1998; Friess, 1997; Island, 1991; Renzetti, 1992). The National Coalition Against Domestic Violence estimates that 25% to 33% of all same-sex relationships include domestic violence.

And if they all batter so much, it is clear that homo and bisexuals have very high rates of sexual harassment behavior, including towards heterosexuals. It’s all part of the same web of sexual violence towards others.

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p.s.: This book came out more than 15 years ago. From which we conclude: a society that is intent on homosexual propaganda has a profound closet, with an enormous quantity of statistics skeletons therein. You call young black female athletes some normalized denigrating hip-hop term and you hit the scandal circuit. You publish data about how criminal and diseased the minds of homosexuals are and the entire media becomes suddenly deaf and dumb, not for a week, but for decades.

I will clarify my point: I am not discussing in this comment why same-sex marriage is unequal to heterosexual marriage. I am pointing out that there is a concerted effort to censor and dismiss discussion about how violent homo and bisexuals are at the same time that there is enormous talk of the subject of homosexual marriage.

In other words, we see that topics about violence make people uncomfortable, since it disrupts their idealized stereotypes and simplistic accounts of social “reality,” therefore a continuous dismissal and resistance is found regarding these very topics, which are nevertheless key to understanding society at a more realistic and responsible level.

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alessandra:

I don’t know what book you got those numbers from, if from a bigot’s, or from some liberal activist who (being a liberal) exagerates problems so as to have something to fix, the kind of liberal who also finds that over half of women get “raped” in their lifetime. The truth is just the opposite of what you say. Gays are typically less violent individuals than straights. Everyone knows that. It is, actually, for their less aggressive natures that more “manly” men hold them in contempt.

Posted by arturo fernandez at April 25, 2007 12:45 AM


Alessandra, domestic violence is a serious problem in both heterosexual and homosexual communities.

So?

I know straight folks who have been battering victims, and gay folks who have been.

Why should that prevent anyone who does not assault someone from marrying?

Posted by DRettmann at April 21, 2007 6:23 AM
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That’s not the question. The question is why so many people lie about how violent homosexuals are or keep silent about it.

Is it because if you don’t lie so much about how violent homosexuals are, you won’t achieve your homosexual normalization quest?

(Domestic violence in gay male relationships is the third largest health problem for gay men in America today.)

Why are such a huge number of homosexuals so violent?

Why are you not debating how to make homosexuals a less brutal and violent group of people?

I think it is a higher priority for society to have less epidemic levels of violence than any same-sex marriage.

If you had two homo neighboring couples, one couldn’t get a marriage license, and in the other, there were constant episodes of brutal violence – which one would you think deserved a priority of attention? Of regulation? Of media spotlight?

Anyone who turns a blind eye to the violent couple and effuses concern about the marriage issue shows how disgusting their system of values is. And voilà 95% of our society!
Posted by alessandra at April 27, 2007 2:35 PM

 

 

 


oh look, a troll!
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alessandra:I don’t know what book you got those numbers from,

[you can click on the link and find out]

if from a bigot’s,

[what is your definition of a bigot?]

or from some liberal activist who (being a liberal) exagerates problems so as to have something to fix, the kind of liberal who also finds that over half of women get “raped” in their lifetime. The truth is just the opposite of what you say.

[Arturo on his soapbox is here to tell us the truth, the whole truth, and…]

Gays are typically less violent individuals than straights. Everyone knows that.

[Or so you like to fool yourself. ]

It is, actually, for their less aggressive natures that more “manly” men hold them in contempt.

[So you are saying that being a homosexual and perpetrating domestic violence are two things that are biologically determined? What about bank robberies? White collar crime? Are you saying heterosexual men just can’t help battering women because it’s in their nature? Did you know 50 years ago people denied heterosexual domestic violence just like you deny homosexual violence? Same sweeping statements as you like to use, “EVERYONE knows that domestic violence is very rare…” Isn’t it interesting that people like you don’t like to face how violent homosexuals are? What about bisexuals? Are they half as violent as heterosexuals or not?]

Posted by arturo fernandez at April 25, 2007 12:45 AM

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As much as you hate reading books, Arturo, you would be better off reading them, instead of relying on gossip for your information on personal violence issues.

Posted by alessandra at April 27, 2007 2:59 PM


In other words, we see that topics about violence make people uncomfortable, since it disrupts their idealized stereotypes and simplistic accounts of social “reality,” therefore a continuous dismissal and resistance is found regarding these very topics, which are nevertheless key to understanding society at a more realistic and responsible level.
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Arturo our latest most precise example.

Posted by alessandra at April 27, 2007

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