Lo and behold, today, after having spent a good deal of last weekend reading articles on the Duck Dynasty kerfuffle, which, as I have posted earlier today, were eerily menial, rehashed, repetitive, and run-of-the-mill, I came across some comments that were much more interesting.
Before getting to excerpting some of these comments, I just have to make another comment regarding the evolution of journalism to its current interactive online format.
We have now reached a point where I am often more interested in reading the comment sections than the actual articles, and, obviously, that includes the facet of being able to participate in the discussion. In other words, the collective information provided, and the debates, jabs, and humor presented are much more valuable, sharp, and interesting than the actual “news” article itself. This is also due to the briefness of these articles, there is no space to delve into much or to broach many points.
This was the article:
‘Duck Dynasty’ Debacle Has TV Industry Abuzz As A&E Charts New Territory
By LISA DE MORAES, TV Columnist | Tuesday December 24, 2013
A site I had never heard about, but it apparently is more geared to television and media professionals. Here is a collection of comments I found interesting.
I’m sorry… you open a hillbilly can of worms; look into a world that is probably best left to a small and local sampling, and you unleash unpredictability and the kind of chaos that can damage the bottom line in profound ways. Call it a rookie mistake, or simply call it an uncontrolled and voracious appetite for something, anything, that can rate! I feel like it’s time to pull back on the train wrecks, repurpose monies and create a new financing paradigm for scripted programming that can elevate our discourse and leave a marker for the times we live that is less base and more hopeful. Happy holidays to you all…
Comment by AC — Tuesday December 24, 2013 @ 10:44am
Stop making sense, someone may hear you.
Comment by KDJ — Tuesday December 24, 2013 @ 12:25pm PST
Sense? That made no sense. A lot of industry jargon gobbledygook. Speak plain, man.
Comment by Mj — Tuesday December 24, 2013 @ 1:03pm
You’re right. That didn’t make sense.
Comment by ButIDigress — Tuesday December 24, 2013 @ 3:38pm
I understood it. Let me be clear: We need to pivot away from that which causes strife, namely white people and Christians, and we need to pivot towards those that despise white people and Christians. Then we need to pivot to the financial situations of those evil white Christians and redirect the paradigm to those in dire need of getting up off a couch.
Comment by Barry O — Tuesday December 24, 2013 @ 10:55pm
Don’t blame it on the “hillbillies” or whatever you want to call people you consider beneath you.
Instead, blame A&E and Bravo and these other reality-heavy networks that search far and wide for the trashiest of the trashy or redneckiest of the redneck in order to give them shows so the networks can exploit and make money off them and audiences can feel better about themselves by looking down and ridiculing the subjects of the shows.
It’s no better than Maury Povich with virtually every show of his talk show being about the sluttiest and most stereotypical black women testing a ridiculously long line of the sluttiest and most stereotypical black men to find their baby daddy.
The term is called othering. Basically it’s people objectifying and exploiting another group for their own twisted amusement.
In regard to Duck Dynasty, an A&E rep was there in the room during the interview in question and he/she just say there and didn’t try to either control the situation or insist on “controversial” opinions being cut from the final interview so let’s be honest about this.
This is one big PR scam. The faux outrage has done nothing but raise awareness for A&E’s number one show and the ratings for the upcoming season are going to be through the roof as people who wouldn’t normally have watched the show check it out just out of curiosity.
Comment by luke — Tuesday December 24, 2013 @ 12:50pm
The thought police have said that Christians don’t have a right to their point of view and that it is politically incorrect and offensive. Never mind that the left no longer worries about being offensive to the Christian community. That is really the heart of this whole matter and everyone keeps missing it. That is why there was a battle cry in the first place.
If this show offends anyone then don’t watch it. Isn’t that what the left tells Christians to do about shows they find offensive?
Comment by Marcus — Tuesday December 24, 2013 @ 8:51pm
No, you’ve got it completely wrong. People enjoy these blue-collar reality shows because they identify with the values expressed in them. Most of these shows are intensely pro-American. These are also interesting people, unlike the coked-out and cut-up Hollywood idiots. If you are a typical 25 yo male, would you rather watch a fat bald guy swear and drive hard bargains, or an effeminate metrosexual preen and whine?
Besides, you yourself are guilty of “othering” the stars. These people voluntarily did these shows, yet when you say they are being exploited you imply that they are too stupid to know otherwise. Don’t be so elitist.
Comment by Grizzly — Tuesday December 24, 2013 @ 8:11pm
Well said — A&E thought they were doing another “Honey Boo Boo,” positing stereotypical rednecks for the so-called East/West Coast literati to laugh at. “Othering,” indeed. But guess what? New York and LA are NOT the representatives of the mass of Americans, not by a long shot, and out there in the “hinterlands,” the “fly-over” country, they saw the Robertsons as laudable, righteous people who have strong families and family values, and hold fast to them, no matter what their choice of lifestyle. These are Americans driven by social acceptance into keeping their mouths shut about what they privately believe — that some things are just plain wrong, just plain evil, just plain un-Godly and antithetical to the base values that made and kept this country strong. Now, they see Phil as an American, Christian ayatollah, a near-Biblical prophet, who is America’s best chance to save our culture from the vulgarity, obscenity and “political correctness” in which it is drowning. Make no mistake, it’s very real, it’s the first salvo in a cultural war, sides are being chosen, and the times, they are a-changin’ once more.
Comment by Doc — Wednesday December 25, 2013 @ 5:32am
Got to love media ‘elite’ logic:
The bankers, big oil, Monsanto, Bush, Insurance companies, venture capitalists…. all evil. All out to hurt the little guy. Oh what’s this? The little guy making million off duck whistles? Well **** that trailer trash. Who do they think they are? Check this out, those hicks believe gays are going to hell! Well we don’t believe in god or hell but that offends us anyway. Why? Because. That’s why. I bet they didn’t even vote for Obama. What trash! Let’s just pimp the next Lady Gaga or Miley Cyrus record and show the world what real class is.
Comment by Emerald — Tuesday December 24, 2013 @ 11:27pm
Those “hillbillies” to whom you so charmingly refer are collectively worth about $400m. Phil Robertson also overcame an impoverished upbringing, came back from a substance abuse problem, has a master’s degree in education from Louisiana Tech, taught school for several years, was an All-State athlete, and actually turned down an offer to play pro ball with the Washington Redskins.
Got any other “sophisticated” discourse for us, buddy?
Comment by MarkJ — Tuesday December 24, 2013 @ 1:06pm
This may come as a surprise to you, but pretty much the whole world is: “Hillbilly”. Almost nowhere is like Hollywood.
Way back when ABC/NBC/CBS owned television it was possible for a tiny elite to force nonsense down our throats – those days are gone. People will watch what appeals to them, and for most of the country that doesn’t include: “Sixty Minutes”, “The West Wing”, or “Bill Maher”.
Unless you’re planning to get government funding, your “scripted programming” is going to “repurpose monies” from Hollywood pockets into the pockets of people like Phil Robertson – and that would be a good thing.
There is nothing “elevating” about Hollywood’s “discourse” – it is all relentlessly characterised by anti-american, anti-religious, anti-White, and anti-Straight propaganda.
The days of the knee-jerk hollywood liberal are over – either learn a new trick or go the way of the dinosaur…
Merry Christmas !!
Comment by Floyd R Turbo (American) — Tuesday December 24, 2013 @ 1:36pm PST
Bravo Floyd. Merry Christmas. BTW, I live in So Cal and there are many of us here like you and the great majority of the rest of the country. WE know what we like and we know when BS is being shoved down or collective throats.
Comment by Gary Kaufman — Tuesday December 24, 2013 @ 3:44pm
I think you’re missing an important point. A&E started this show thinking that the audience would join them in laughing at what they probably considered a bunch of modern day Beverly Hillbillies with their old time religion. What A&E did not expect was that the reason the show became popular is that its audience IDENTIFIES with the family–with their values at least, if not their lifestyle. The show was intended to be something to mock and laugh at, but it became something to admire.
Comment by Robert Strong — Tuesday December 24, 2013 @ 4:06pm
AC, you said, “…you open a hillbilly can of worms; look into a world that is probably best left to a small and local sampling, and you unleash unpredictability and the kind of chaos that can damage the bottom line in profound ways.” It is you who is missing the point. The folks you call hillbillies (they prefer redneck by the way) are an educated, down to earth family running a successful international business from a small town in Louisiana. The fact that they have retained their down home values, appreciation for the god (or nature if you prefer) given glory of the world we live in and believe their religion guides them to live a better life is somehow offensive to the “elites” of this country but encouraging to many who struggle to provide for their families and live a good life. Ironically the network wanted them to provide more of a “trainwreck” atmosphere by staging phony fights but the family refused as they refused to hide their religious beliefs and it has become an economic bonanza for both. Guess mebee them thar redniks with there master deegrees maght be teachin’ them so fistircated Holliwood folks a thang er 2 bout makin’ money. Wouncha say?
Comment by Northwestdad — Tuesday December 24, 2013 @ 9:14pm
… do you really mean to say that shows like “Glee” and “Big Bang Theory” are less base and more moral than Duck Dynasty ?
Comment by Max Lorel — Tuesday December 24, 2013 @ 6:11pm
Please – I think this was A&Es amateurish way of distancing itself from a show that has not turned out to be what they intended. I’m sure the suits in Manhattan thought this series would be a “look at the goofy hillbillies” comedy – a chance for the country to share a laugh with the Upper West Side crowd at the lesser humans who inhabit the country west of the Potomac. Funny thing happened on the way to the snark-fest — a whole lot of that country identified with the Robertson family’s belief-centered approach to life, which is the real message of the show. You can almost hear the A&E boardroom discussion – “how do we get rid of this religion thing, make our cocktail party friends happy, and still make truckloads of money off the backs of these Robertson rubes”? All these execs wondering why A&E did this GQ thing in the first place? It was intended all along….dumb, but intentional.
Comment by Tom Arielly — Tuesday December 24, 2013 @ 6:18pm
Scripted TV to elevate the discourse is an oxymoron. TV is, for the most part, brain candy. The appeal of Duck Dynasty is a close knit family that works together, and sticks to their values. Sure they are not cultured. Frankly, being cultured does not make a person good, or even respectable. To be more blunt, pretension is the effect of the insecure.
Do not simply insult what you do not like. Find what others value in it. Maybe you are missing something.
Comment by RJWY — Tuesday December 24, 2013 @ 7:12pm
In other words… suppress individuality and free thought. Feed the masses the thought patterns to which we want them to conform. Let’s not allow anything which could potentially lead to healthy debate. Conflicting viewpoints are not acceptable.
I for one would not watch such watered down programming. Human growth is achieved by studying conflicting opinions and creating your own convictions and thoughts by all the data in which you immerse yourself. Not allowing that causes brain atrophy, and lack of personality, and weakness of character and convictions.
Comment by jz — Tuesday December 24, 2013 @ 8:15pm
Do you people do this on purpose, or is it an accident of ignorance?
“comparing homosexuality to bestiality”
This never happened, but it has been a talking point of the hate filled gay community spokespersons since the interview was published.
So, are you trying to write truthful, meaningful articles or are you only trying for brownie points on the internet?
Comment by Ken O. — Tuesday December 24, 2013 @ 8:17pm
I haven’t watched any of Duck, hoarders, Survivor, Bachelor, etc. yet. Just enjoying the media circus surrounding them! 🙂
Comment by CoachHouser — Tuesday December 24, 2013 @ 12:14pm
[I can relate – Alessandra]
How do you suspend someone citing a morals clause when all he did was speak about his Christian morals? A&E didn’t look bad until A&E showed its morals. So they violated their own morals clause.
Comment by Sean — Tuesday December 24, 2013 @ 9:28pm
Remember, freedom of speech is NOT freedom of consequence speech. Hate Speech is still hate speech whether you believe the Bible says so or not (as a former Altar boy, I’ll say confidently it doesn’t say that).
After all, where did God say it was okay to denigrate Gays, Blacks and Muslims? My personal Bible contains NO such clause.
But it does contain “Do unto others”….
And finally, you attacked someone for their opinion and then said THEY were trying to control others.
Pot? Meet kettle.
Comment by Anonymous — Tuesday December 24, 2013 @ 2:36pm PST Reply to this post
So, I assume you would be OK if you made public pro-gay statements and your boss fired you for that……. Well, kettle?
Comment by james — Tuesday December 24, 2013 @ 7:42pm
So, I guess you would be OK with a network that fired anyone who made a pro-gay statement?
Comment by james — Tuesday December 24, 2013 @ 7:38pm
As for laughing at and laughing with…yeah, it was funny to watch Miss Kay and his daughter-in-law’s faces when he field dressed the wild pig. Yes, I laughed. And I don’t think any of the three people are stupid or ridiculous. If I ever find myself back in a Louisiana swamp, I hope the person standing next to me is Phil Robertson or one of his family. You and your friends can laugh at the Robertsons. As for me, I’ll laugh with them.
Comment by Paige — Tuesday December 24, 2013 @ 1:10pm
I guess as an an upscale urban family man with $200K of family income a year and 35+ years in the media, I’m not the “type of person who should be watching DD, eh? These folks are God-loving Americans who’ve become multi-millionaires who have the money and juice to tell A&E to shove it if they so choose. They’re real — and they’re fun. Someone at A&E obviously thought they were rubes and got a rude awakening. Millions of Americans relate to the Robertsons and like them enough to tune in each week. I’m happy to be one of them.
Comment by DonK — Tuesday December 24, 2013 @ 11:36pm
A&E played it incredibly stupid from the beginning. This is their top rated show and you’re going to mess with it? Really? A simple statement of: The opinions are their own, not ours. If gays still want to get their panties in a bunch, suggest they watch something else. There are 6,000 other channels to watch, and we don’t have to have one Orwellian mind set in this country. Allegedly, this is a free country with great diversity in beliefs….
Comment by Socraticsilliness — Tuesday December 24, 2013 @ 12:51pm
Brilliant analysis! These Hollywood types are so accustomed to fawning homo pyscophants that they can’t imagine life in the “fly-over” states where the overwhelming population consider homosexuals as perverts IN SPITE OF the incessant homo programming to change our minds to the contrary. A&E needs Duck Dynasty a hell if a lot more than DD needs them.
It is a great day in America when men and women of Christian conviction refuse to back down.
Equally wonderful, is setting the homosexual political correctness agenda back 30 years.
Comment by Catherine Crabill — Tuesday December 24, 2013 @ 2:52pm
Well, thats just the thing. Duck dynasty is no “Honey Boo boo” I am fully convinced most TV “programming” is meant to tear away at families and put fear into anyone who wants to start one. So, in many ways “programming” is meant to malign an entire culture in favor of materialism, snarky arrogance, victim-hood, indoctrinated stupidity, poshy-ness, and homosexuality. Thats why millions of people find Duck Dynasty is a much needed breath of fresh air. While Duck Dynasty may seem “common” Having the power and trust to even start a family anymore is not so common anymore.
Comment by Mike — Tuesday December 24, 2013 @ 3:03pm
The headline that you will not see:
“Reality show producers shocked to learn that the reality show star really believes what he says on his reality show”.
Comment by Bill G — Tuesday December 24, 2013 @ 4:03pm
The best solution to the Stalinist strategy is to use it.
Cancel A & E. Stop patronizing Cracker Barrel. Eliminate Tweeter.
It is only a matter of time before they lose enough revenue from viewers, customers and user before they apologize. After all, in reality, the bottom line is more important to them than anyone’s opinion
To stop the ongoing heterophobic attacks, do not accept the apologies. Let them live with their losses. To accept their apologies is to postpone the inevitable confrontation.
Comment by Cogito — Tuesday December 24, 2013 @ 8:55pm
I find the most telling thing about the article is the assumption that the networks own you lock stock and barrel. Note, they talk about how they mismanaged Phil and “allowed” him to talk to GQ and about how you can’t control, manage or intimidate someone (who’s self-made) who doesn’t need the networks. So for those who think being a reality star would be cool, unless you are already wealthy enough that you don’t need the money from the show, then you’re selling you’re soul, literally and figuratively. These network POSs are nothing but blood suckers and as much as I like the Robertsons I will never watch the show again and I am slowly getting away from watching A&E.
Comment by Michael Mayher — Thursday December 26, 2013 @ 12:26am
Hillbilly does not describe this family in any way. The whole show is a fraud. Have you seen the pictures of these guys with their families before they were on Duck Dynasty? They look like a calendar for Abercrombie and Fitch! These guys are educated and hold college degrees.
Comment by jessica — Thursday December 26, 2013 @ 9:10am
==================================And I saved the best for last:
The liberals are imploding! The liberals are imploding!
“rookie mistake” — way.to.spin.it.baby.
finally being politicaly correct hitting a brick wall Give’em hell guys
Comment by gary — Wednesday December 25, 2013 @ 3:30am
Thou shalt not take the name of the LGBT in vain for this is thy new God and those are the new chosen people.
Thou shalt not pass judgement on adulterers, idolaters, zoophiles, drunks, misers, slanderers and swindlers.
Comment by Lusty Infant — Tuesday December 24, 2013 @