Exchange over at TruthRevolt.org: http://www.truthrevolt.org/news/we-dont-care-about-same-sex-marriage-we-do-care-about-freedom-speech
Dianaiad•7 hours ago
I notice that people have stopped posting, commenting or reacting…I hope they haven’t stopped signing. This isn’t about gay marriage or lack of same. It’s about freedom of speech. It’s about…how if someone does anything to disparage gays, or anything else politically correct (and heaven help anybody who actually contributed money to some politically incorrect cause, no matter how long ago), it becomes a legal matter. It’s legal to fire someone for contributing a thousand bucks to a cause you don’t like, or belong to an organization you don’t agree with?
Wait….wait….didn’t we do this awhile back? Senator McCarthy or something, wasn’t it?
The first amendment was not written to protect the freedom to agree with you. It was written specifically to protect the freedom of those you don’t like. I, personally, don’t give a hoot what gays do; get married, don’t get married…just leave me and my beliefs out of it, thank you.
I have been using Firefox for years; I love it and prefer it to any other browser. Indeed, I have been as much a Firefox fan as any Apple fanatic is of his Mac…but I have switched to Chrome. It’s a pain in the patootie, but I switched. For me it is not about gay marriage. It’s about freedom to speak freely.
I would have done the same had Firefox fired him for contributing to a more politically correct organization.
JoeMyGodNYC Dianaiad•3 hours ago
It doesn’t appear that you understand the First Amendment, which protects citizens from censorship by the GOVERNMENT. Therefore the First Amendment is inapplicable in situations that do not involve any government agency or authority. The First Amendment, therefore, provides zero protection to citizens from their employers. Surely you know that you don’t not have the freedom to make disparaging speech about your employers or to hold advocate for issues that may embarrass the people who sign your paycheck. Employees ARE protected against employment discrimination on the basis of religion, gender, race, etc
Alessandra JoeMyGodNYC•an hour ago
Freedom of speech as a principle and as a right is applicable in every sphere of society, not only those which involve the government.
Something so simple that some people haven’t understood yet.
JoeMyGodNYC Alessandra•38 minutes ago
If by applicable you mean “bears the force of law” then you are simply wrong. If by applicable you mean “should be upheld voluntarily” then I disagree. The unfettered freedom to express political opinions or religious views in the civilian workplace would often result in abuses and discord, which is why almost all companies strongly limit such behavior. I daresay you would not allow campaigning for abortion rights by coworkers to go unchallenged nor would many employees enjoy proselytizing among the cubicles. (And let’s not even get into sexual harassment.) Absolute freedom of speech at the workplace is appealing idea in theory, but in practice would soon devolve into mayhem. That’s why there exists an entire industry that creates employee conduct handbooks.
Alessandra JoeMyGodNYC•5 minutes ago
I think you raise a valid point about how complicated freedom of speech is in practice, including in the workplace. Your solution to the “mayhem problem” is censorship (imposed by the organization or the people themselves). I think this only speaks to the failure of civilizing people however. If you cannot work together with other people unless you put a tape on their mouths, it clearly shows you can’t stand hearing other opinions and neither can they. Or that people don’t know how to speak civilly. While keeping mayhem in check is necessary for people to work together, censorship is a palliative solution to the fact that you have created human beings who are incapable of dialog and debate without descending into mayhem. In other words, all you have is a group of thugs who are being kept in chains.
While that may be a “corporation”, it’s not a civilized group of people. What we are seeing in Mozillagate is that some of the chains were taken off from the liberal jerks, thus the ensuing persecution of good people like Eich. It couldn’t have been otherwise.