There were a few excellent comments in sites around the net yesterday, a couple of which I’ll be copying here because they distinguish themselves by the strength of their keenness in analyzing current ideological, social, and political dynamics.

First, this one by Aaron Taylor* over at Ethika Politika – where my own comment was censored (too heretical? ;-).


Taylor writes:

By saying psychology acts as a mechanism of social control, I am not trying to imply there is some kind of elite conspiracy to use psychology to control the unsuspecting masses. As Foucault pointed out, power is immanent within social networks rather than being — in the manner of crude Marxist analysis — simply something that is used by one group against another. What I am saying is that psychology has come to be the primary vehicle through which different interest groups in society try to achieve moral ascendancy for their ideas.

America (and one could extend this to other parts of the modern West) is a fragmented society that doesn’t share a coherent common morality, yet, of course, like every society, it needs to have moral conversations. It does, however, share a common faith in “objective science,” and so, over time, it has developed a discourse that masks its moral conversations in a scientific disguise.

Therefore, while individual groups within a society (Catholics, say, or Mormons, or whatever) might share a moral code and have explicitly moral discussions, as a society, we could not possibly any longer have a discussion about whether pornography was “good” or “bad,” or about whether its usage made citizens “virtuous” or “vicious” persons. Instead, we have a discussion about whether it leads to “healthy identity development.”

Your [that is, 's previous] comments [in the thread] about how some psychologists are attempting a “political move” to have pedophilia declassified as a mental illness are an illustration of my point. I agree with you that the likely motives behind such a move are, of course, grotesque, but stop and ask yourself: why would these people even bother attempting such a move if it weren’t for the fact that the discourses of psychology have a tremendous amount of social and political *power* to either normalise or abnormalise certain behaviours? No zoologist, for example, would ever think they had scored a political victory by reclassifying a kangaroo from marsupial to mammal.


 

So perfectly keen.

By coincidence, I had a mini-feud on Twitter yesterday, and when I made some comments criticizing homosexuality, the first thing the stupid LGBT squabbling with me  hilariously said is “You don’t believe in the scientific method”. Obviously, since this is just an LGBT idiot on the Net, he is too obnoxious to read my site and realize that my critique of the normalization of homosexuality is built using a secular framework, which constantly incorporates scientific approaches, methods, and findings, and scientific ways to conceptualize and understand reality as fundamental means to effect this critique. But the stupid LGBT must assume anything and everything I say is based not only on a religious framework, but a Christian one, because it is critical of his agenda. Not only that, in his tiny LGBT mind, anything Christian must be wrong, and anything he labels “scientific” must be right. Second, this LGBT, like most liberals, is too stupid to understand Taylor’s point above – it is extremely foolish to proclaim that science (i.e.,”the scientific method”) is appropriate to decide all questions in life.

It is exactly because I understand the scientific method and the history of the various sciences we have today (psychology, anthropology, medicine, etc.) that I understand just how profoundly problematic, corrupt, manipulated/manipulative, and just plain wrong Science has always been and will be, if not always, then for a very long time, regarding a very large number of its claims. It would be my guess that the majority of scientific claims made in the history of modern Science have been proven wrong some time later – a fact that liberals seem to forget when it comes to their claims that they have the Truth on homosexuality because the APA said so – oh, the inanity!

In science, it’s not only individual claims, but entire schools of “scientific” thought have been completely discarded as awful or wrong – see, as one of many examples, Kuhn for his excellent analysis of the power dynamics of wrong orthodoxy in science. Lastly, Science (or the scientific method, if you will) has been and it will largely always be partially inadequate and an incomplete tool to determine morality questions.

The funny thing is, it is the liberal LGBT guy on Twitter prattling about the “scientific method” who doesn’t believe in the scientific method, in the sense that he doesn’t even understand what the scientific method entails in the soft (and consequently political and ideological) sciences such as psychology. Nor does he understand how fraught with failures and uncertainties the method is. For the liberal riff-raff, the high priests of the APA have declared that homosexuality is normal, and given papal, I mean, APA infallibility regarding its “science,” this notion must now be fanatically believed in and heretics burnt at the stake.

Regarding the liberal discourse on homosexuality, as Taylor points out in his overall critique, once the APA started declaring homosexuality was “normal” – and how scientific is that claim? – the ignorant masses then started screaming this was “scientifically” proven, since the claim was made by what is in their view the authority of all things real and moral. (Claiming that the APA is the definer of what reality is for humanity for eternity is a joke all in itself, but let’s leave that aside).

Moreover, it’s not that this institutional body ever truly used the scientific method or science to establish any of its claims. It mostly utilized junk reason under the guise of “science,” and it simply ignored all criticisms and questionings to its reasonings, to proclaim its edicts on the morality of homosexuality.  And so, by wrapping a secular/scientific body around their moral claim, liberals pretend that it’s not morality, plain and crude, that they are prescribing and arbitrating. However, as Aaron Taylor so finely articulated above, it’s exactly what they are doing.

On a tangential and closing note, regarding Taylor’s previous comments in the thread, I understand what he is trying to say here: “Psychology of the modern variety is a post-industrial revolution pseudoscience that tries to dominate people by planting a mechanism of social control inside their mind (unlike, say, the discourses of law, which attempt to restrain from without)“. However, it is poorly developed. Taylor is quite right in that this is how psychology is being wielded to control people, but there is much more to psychology and psychotherapy that is profoundly good and beneficial to people and society. Thus, psychology/psychotherapy can lead to profound healing, health, and well-being.

What we have with psychology is a “baby and bath water” problem. In his criticism, Taylor has reduced all psychology and related practices to the bath water, while ignoring the baby. I would say it is nevertheless refreshing to see such a well articulated analysis of the dynamics for implanting cultural hegemony used by liberals, since the problem we have in society is certainly that most people only see the baby (the touted wonders, supreme authority, and infallibility (!) of science/psychology/APA) and they lack any ability to see its glaring failures and the damage that ensues from those failures. Yes, the millions of failures and the inadequacy of the “scientific method” that liberals seem to forget is central to their “science” – which is in reality just liberal political ideology dressed up in the scientific method.

 


* Aaron Taylor is a Ph.D. student in Ethics at Boston College. He previously studied at the Universities of London and Oxford.

 

Someone at the NRO doesn’t like my freedom of speech to happen at their site! He/She is deleting every comment I make. I’ve listed the deleted comments at my other blog “Censored”.

Censorship at National Review Online – NRO – all my comments deleted re “More on Houston’s Harassment of Pastors/Annise Parker”

 

CENSORED – all my comments about the UK Rotherham scandal censored at the National Review Online

It must be the umpteenth time that I recently come across a liberal obsessed with normalizing homosexuality that is now arguing that Jesus “did not explicitly say anything that condemned homosexuality,” THEREFORE it must absolutely mean he endorsed it and had normalized it like liberals have. The logic of people obsessed in normalizing their sexually deformed minds!
See this fine example:
 (comment made on Pope Francis’ Machiavellian strategy to liberalize the Catholic Church

Jesus had very little to say about sex, nothing to say about adult same-sex consensual relationships. This is a subject which has been blown up out of all proportions. Personally I fail to see the moral difference between two people having some form of mutual masturbation and the two masturbating separately. Before you ask the question, let me answer. No, masturbation has not made me morally blind. Thank you,

My reply:

 “Jesus had very little to say about sex,”

Really? So he really didn’t agree with anything the Bible says? I’m glad we got that cleared up!

According to Roger then, liberal authority on the all things Jesus, what the Bible says about sex and marriage and homosexuality is all a hoax – and clearly Jesus didn’t agree with any of it  because he didn’t repeat every word himself. Roger’s logic goes like this: If the Bible says it, and Jesus didn’t repeat it (in the Bible), then He doesn’t agree with it.

Roger is telling us that if Jesus had “very little to say about sex” then it means he is OK with any and all the sexual perversions liberals endorse today!  This consequently means Jesus doesn’t agree with the rest of the Bible – you know, all the passages where sin, especially of a sexual nature, is quite clearly spelled out.

It’s rather amusing to see liberals claim that Jesus doesn’t agree with the Bible (ha!) and to see how they sweep this very contradiction out of any consideration. Since their goal is to use Jesus and any other religious authority symbol to normalize homosexuality, such contradictions are not to be acknowledged, much less questioned.

It is particularly amusing to claim  that Jesus was really just another porn, homosexuality, promiscuity-loving liberal pig, since it shows how much people have a need to mold religion (and religious symbols) to their conveniences – independently of how perverted or destructive these conveniences may be.

Roger claims that had Jesus believed in a healthy and pure sexuality ideology, He “would have said something specific in the Bible against each and every liberal sexual perversion”. Since He didn’t, He must be a liberal.

And so, this is how liberals co-opt the key symbol of religious authority (Jesus) in the (semi-post) Christian West to be part of the homosexuality agenda. Liberals must now reveal to the rest of us that Jesus has always thought like a liberal – he just didn’t say so before!

This “Jesus didn’t say anything about homosexuality” line is  a great example of sexually perverted liberals colonizing the Bible and especially the figure of Jesus… and it would be amusing if it weren’t so destructive, and hence so sad to see it happening in my world, in my life.

In practical terms, Jesus is just a Ken doll that liberal Catholics, Americans, etc. will dress up as they find most convenient – and the “most convenient” for Western society at the moment is to normalize the majority of sexual dysfunctions and perversions amongst its midst. With this we have not progress, but an increasing depraved, sexually harassful, and sexually violent society, where sex and relationships are relentlessly perverted and demeaned. And you can’t demean sex without demeaning humans.

The Federalist:

Christians Can’t Accept Houston’s Intimidation Tactics Without Protest

…the latest story out of Houston will likewise do little to quell concerns that religious liberty and free speech are under serious attack. Earlier this year, the City Council passed a law regarding rights related to sexual and gender identity. Mayor Annise Parker has made support for this law — the Houston Equal Rights Ordinance — a major part of her administration. A petition drive to repeal the ordinance — with more than 50,000 signatures, and only 17,259 required — was disallowed by Parker and the city attorney. Some of the Houston citizens sued over the matter and the city responded by subpoenaing emails and sermons from five pastors who are not party to the lawsuit but were involved in the petition drive.

The public’s mostly negative response to the intimidation attempts seen in Houston was so pronounced that Parker now says she agrees with Alliance Defending Freedom that the subpoenas were overly broad. Heck, the whole thing’s so toxic that she’s even claiming she didn’t know about the subpoenas until shortly before she took to Twitter vigorously defending them. But don’t be surprised if these attacks on religious liberty and free speech don’t cause more people to question what we’re being forced to give up — and why — in exchange for expanding gay rights.


In a move eerily similar to fascist regimes, Houston demanded that pastors hand over their sermons to the city for a review of teachings that might speak out against homosexuality or transgenderism. Not satisfied with that these uberlords demanded emails, memos, and notes of any related meetings. After an outcry, the city is backing off, but make no mistake: more intimidation, threats, and presecution will follow by the forces of love and tolerance (strange how the queer/progressive alliance parallels ISIS isn’t it)..

Last year, Houston voters elected openly lesbian mayor, Annise Parker. It wasn’t long before the city passed the Houston Equal Rights Ordinance (HERO), which granted “equal rights” (read: preferred status as those with whom no one may disagree) to individuals with gender disorientation pathology. Under the ordinance, men can use ladies’ restrooms, ladies can use men’s restrooms, and, in short, anything goes — except orthodox Christianity. Texans don’t take too well to folks messing with civilized standards and dignity of their womenfolk, and it wasn’t long before a petition opposing the ordinance drew more than 50,000 signatures — more than double the number required to get on the ballot.

Imagine the shock when the mayor decalred the petition was invalid due to “irregularities.” These were not documented and simply declared to be “simply too many documents with irregularities and problems to overlook.” The petition is simply invalid because, well so many bitter clingers opposed it. But in a suspension of disbelief, the city expects folks to believe that, of 50,000 signatures, more than 32,000 were invalid. Sure, and we have oceanfront property in Dallas to sell them.

A coalition of about 400 area churches opposed the new ordinance, as they actually believe that X and Y chromosomes were designed for a reason. It’s called science, which the Left wields as a club when the mood strikes them and discards when it does not. The churches were not party to the lawsuit, but it just so happens that some of the 50,000 signatures were reportedly gathered at churches (which, incidentally, is fully legal).

In retribution, the city claimed the churches’ sermons were fair game as a political target because petition signatures were gathered inside a church. Several pastors were delivered a subpoena demanding they yield “all speeches, presentations, or sermons related to HERO, the Petition, Mayor Annise Parker, homosexuality, or gender identity prepared by, delivered by, revised by, or approved by you or in your possession” as well as “all communications with members of your congregations” about HERO and the petition drive.

The gay-lesbian-pervert crowd Mayor Parker runs with isn’t so tolerant of anyone who disagrees with them. Unable to abide the idea that Christian pastors may actually be preaching what the Bible says, the mayor and her lackeys are engaging in an inquisition designed to stifle any critique of its actions. In the face of universal outrage, Parker appears to be back peddaling. She has said she would narrow the scope of the subpoenas. As if that will remove any doubts about her fidelity to Alinsky tactics and Stainlesque methods.

By issuing these subpoenas to punish any person of faith in Houston who participated against the bathroom ordinance the mayor and junior commissars attempted to both squash and intimidate those who dared to defy the Borg leadership and hive mind of the progressive movement.

The extremists in the progressive/sodomite/facist movement are strengthening their efforts to silence Christians, censor pastors and eliminate discourse in opposition to the homosexual agenda. We see that here each time homosexuality and its mutant offshots are discussed. This is not the first nor will it be the most brazen. Religious Liberty is the bedrock of our Republic, and government review of sermons has no place in the Land of the Free. Parker and her cohorts may think they messed only with a few Texas pastors, but when it comes to defending our God-given and constitutionally protected rights, her ilk has challenged all freedom and liberty loving Americans.
No one can question that the founding fathers watch our actions and stand with us. They will condemn us if we do not save guard their sacrifices and fight the forces of darkness that threaten the freedoms of all.


Beautiful post.

“The extremists in the progressive/sodomite/facist movement are
strengthening their efforts to silence Christians, censor pastors and
eliminate discourse in opposition to the homosexual agenda.”

Not only silence but to paint decent thinking as evil and to malign and slander the character of all Christians and conservatives who have a moral and healthy understanding of human sexuality. Thought crime is the goal.

 

this is a comment to another recent thread:

Look at the fall-out already!!


 

(article: “Gay unions should be respected, accepted, Archbishop Martin Currie says”)

In an interview with CBC’s On the Go Tuesday, Archbishop Martin Currie said the church must uphold its teaching that marriage is between a man and a woman.

But he added, “Hopefully we can find some accommodation where (same-sex) unions are accepted and respected and they can have a part in the church life.”


Homosexuality “accepted and respected”!! The destruction of everything the Church has stood for as good and wholesome – thanks to these garbage of perverted homosexuals. And it’s not unions that they merely want to normalize – by normalizing homosexuality per se, it means these junk of people are always bothering others and pursuing others with their homosexual behaviors, that is their perverted, malicious, nasty sexual attitudes and behaviors and thinking everyone has to put up with whatever crap they do.

That’s how corrupt the Church is now. Sad!!! Sad!!!! Horrendously sad.

An archbishop preaching to normalize homosexuality and shove it as normal for Catholics and for the Church! Disgusting. He has just thrown the Bible in the trash can. Look at how corrupt the Church is!

“Often they wish to encounter a Church that offers them a welcoming home. ”

Not just a Church, they want society to submit to whatever trash and perversion their minds produce – and to welcome and accept them. They want to do as much harm and violence as they can get away with, and with impunity – that’s what this corrupt Church doesn’t care about and won’t talk about – how much damage these people do to society and to any church. They want to impose their perversion as part of the norm.

This is horrendous. And I have lived to see this ugly day for the Church.

fantastic comment by “ForChristAlone” on Bergoglio in Crisis Magazine thread:

Possible titles for upcoming books on this papacy”
“Bergoglio Gone Mad”
“The Last Nail in the Coffin of the Family”
“The Synod from Hell”
“Bergoglio: The Conclave That Went Wrong”
“Bergoglio: “I Don’t Give A Damn About Faithful Catholics”

And one thing that I would want to remind Bergoglio of is this: many of us faithful Catholics were made to suffer because of your homosexual priest scandal wherein so many thousands of our sons were abused by your homosexual clergy. And now you want to tell us that homosexual acts are not sinful. You know what you can do with your “Gradualism?”

By, the way, this piece by Father Longenecker is the best one he’s written that I have read. It should be sent to every priest and bishop all over the world. It epitomizes the quandary that many tens of thousands of orthodox Catholics are waking up today thinking..

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my reply to above: Thank you for this most wonderful reply – nailed it. Bergoglio is not fit to lead the Church, only to destroy it.

article on the Barbwire on the racist lesbians and “wrong” baby color case: It is Not Their Fault: Why I am Not Angry at the Lesbians Suing the Sperm Bank – By Jennifer Roback Morse

Jennifer Roback Morse: “I do not know if they will get the “justice” they seek: $50,000 in damages and the satisfaction that the sperm bank will not “do this to another family.”

These two women are two trashy, perverted homosexuals, who are racist to boot. What exactly is wrong with what the sperm bank did? Why would the child need to be white? If these two perverted lesbians saw each child as wonderful, they would have never sued because no injustice has been done. Moreover, if they didn’t have a profoundly perverted mind towards both men and women, they would each be in search of a healthy heterosexual relationship with a man where they could conceive normally. How disgusting that two women with such warped minds are now in charge of a child who has no rights regarding who cares for her.

And as much as the Elites are to blame because they use their power to institute corrupt and harmful ideologies, “common folk” are just as perverse and guilty to follow along when it serves their nasty interests. An ideological elite can only be an elite if it has support from a trashy populace.

Overall, though, great article with lots of very good points.

Here’s another very important point related to this synod document. The Catholic Church has a horrendous gay mafia problem. With its particularly unhealthy institution of celibacy (for political and power-hungry purposes, obviously), the Church has, over centuries, attracted every kind of deformed and perverted homosexual among its ranks – including a large variety of homosexual pedophiles, as the scandal showed. This also means the existence of powerful perverted homosexuals at its highest echelons. And not forgetting all the heterosexual clergy who have not adhered to celibacy – the latter being a crazy demand – only making the whole spectacle highly hypocritical.

With the downfall of Christianity in the West and the loss of interest of healthy men in becoming priests – if that was ever a majority in the past – the Church becomes more and more corrupt regarding its type of priests. So now faced with a largely perverted clergy, the Church and its Gay Mafia Pope have taken the first step to try to convince people that its infested ranks are not a problem. The only minor issue with this crafty and nasty move is that it is goes smack against the Bible, first and foremost, and centuries of Catechism.

It seems what is at stake is that there are many forces in action not only to make the Catholic Church turn into an obscenely wealthy gay sauna, but adding insult to injury, to claim this is perfectly acceptable. We are having the displeasure to watch a white, Western and degenerate ideology on sexuality (in particular, homosexuality) being superimposed on a “of color”, traditional, global South, and healthy ideology. The image that comes to mind is when conquerors of a people in the past would raze down a particular religious building (such as a mosque or pagan temple) to build a church on the same spot, in order to concretely spell out their new domination.

Telling as well is the fact that the move to normalize homosexuality in the West is largely a secular political/ideological movement – and it is this secular ideology that is now taking over the Church – from its corrupt inside. It’s not merely a question of secular over religious, but an unhealthy sexuality ideology over a healthy one – the current dynamics of the societies in the West – which must normalize every form of unhealthy and deformed sexual attitudes and behaviors in its midst.

From the American Conservative: A ‘Pastoral Earthquake’ at the Rome Synod

thomas tucker says:
October 13, 2014 at 8:48 pm

Bernie: I think the bottom line is that most people who attend Catholic churches in the US reject Church teaching, receive communion regardless of their state of sin, and/or see the Eucharist as simply symbolic. I don’t agree with it, but that’s the real state of affairs.

So true.

Devinicus says:
October 13, 2014 at 9:56 pm

One the issue of the relatio drafting committee, from what I can gather, there are nine members of this group. Three are there members ex officio and six others who were, rather abruptly and unexpectedly, added on directly by Pope Francis at the last minute.

The three ex officio members are all Europeans: the Synod General Rapporteur Cardinal Péter Erdő (Hungary); Special Secretary of the Synod Archbishop Bruno Forte (Italy); and Secretary General of the Synod Cardinal Lorenzo Baldisseri (Italy).

The six members appointed by Pope Francis include two more Europeans (Cardinal Gianfranco Ravasi [Italy] and Fr. Adolfo Nicolás Pachón [Spain]), two Latin Americans (Archbishop Victor Manuel Fernandez [Argentina] and Archbishop Carlos Aguiar Retes [Mexico]), one North American (Cardinal Donald Wuerl [United States]), and one Asian (Archbishop Peter Kang U-Il [South Korea]).

That makes eight Westerners and one Asian from perhaps the most Westernized country in Asia. And no Africans.

White Western sexual perverts imposing their unhealthy sexual ideology on trads in former colonial but still largely de facto held behind African Catholic societies which hold views that a healthy sexuality can only be heterosexual.

HC says:
October 13, 2014 at 11:20 pm

If you can’t beat ‘em, join ‘em, says the Lavender Mafia.

Now that the Synod has dispensed with the concept of sin, will the Synod be issuing an annotated update to the Gospel and the Epistles; guiding us about the specific verses we are to rip from our New Testaments?

Romans 1:25-27, for example.

The farce, the farce!

Florentius says:
October 13, 2014 at 1:12 pm

From Congregation of the Doctrine of the Faith’s 1986 Letter on the Pastoral Care of Homosexual Persons: “Although the particular inclination of the homosexual person is not a sin, it is a more or less strong tendency ordered toward an intrinsic moral evil; and thus the inclination itself must be seen as an objective disorder.”

This document clearly rejects this. The result will be discord and schism. Pray that synod fathers step back from the precipice.

So much material wealth in the hands of such few and corrupt men.

The most ironic is that especially in the US, for decades the rallying cry during the cold war was to defeat those “godless communists” – well, the West is now showing that the USSR’s “godless communists” were in reality defeated by a bunch of perverted godless capitalists, who now impose on the Catholic Church a de facto doctrine of normalizing homosexuality.

Funnily enought, it’s not the godless communists who destroyed the Church – it’s the West’s own sexual perverts – and because the Church has been too corrupted by its gay mafia on the inside, it only welcomes its own perversion with open arms – and does this under a banner of now adopting a “nicer” and more “inclusive” approach than before. Sickening.

 

  • In the comments to this article:

    ‘Earthquake’ in Rome as Vatican synod talks about homosexuality and divorce

    13 October 2014 16:49

    Regarding people who are gay, the document says: ‘Homosexuals have gifts and qualities to offer to the Christian community.
    That of course includes the kiddy fiddling priests

    Are you comparing gay people to paedophiles? Unless you were being sarcastic … then that was a totally disgusting remark.

    • Many homosexuals and bisexuals abuse children – it happens constantly. You just like to cover up for your homosexual pedophile pals – talk about how disgusting liberals are

      • Crawl back into your cave you stupid cow … You make it sound as if it is a gay thing: that is not true. Most abuses are men on girls – and yes also women on girls, women on boys and men on boys.
        But if you don’t believe me that it is mostly heterosexuals: ask the 1700 girls in Rotherham that were systematically abused by men.
        And don’t you F-ing dare to imply that I cover anything up. You bitch, I’ll have you for breakfast.

        • Take your vile abuse and hang yourself with it – you useless pile of garbage- most abuse is not done by heterosexuals if you compare proportions. Most of the abuse in Rotherham happened because of turds of liberal police and social workers who believe homosexuality and teen sex and promiscuity is normal – that’s your ilk. And there were boys who were abused in Rotherham too – but you only want to lie about it. You live to lie about every case of homosexual and bisexual abuse – and one has to wonder how close it hits home. Go eat your own waste for breakfast.

 

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